It’s interesting to watch how a story moves forward from a daily print service to a weekly military service and from there to a progressive blogger. This story originated with Gannett’s News Service, an in-house wire service. Just an aside: this story appeared in Air Force Times but I couldn’t find it in Army Times or Stars and Stripes.
Thousands of Troops Say They Won’t Fight
By Ana Radelat
Gannett News Service
Saturday 05 August 2006Swept up by a wave of patriotism after the US invasion of Iraq, Chris Magaoay joined the Marine Corps in November 2004.
The newly married Magaoay thought a military career would allow him to continue his college education, help his country and set his life on the right path.
Less than two years later, Magaoay became one of thousands of military deserters who have chosen a lifetime of exile or possible court-martial rather than fight in Iraq or Afghanistan.
"It wasn’t something I did on the spur of the moment," said Magaoay, a native of Maui, Hawaii. "It took me a long time to realize what was going on. The war is illegal."
Magaoay said his disillusionment with the military began in boot camp in Twentynine Palms, Calif., where a superior officer joked about killing and mistreating Iraqis. When his unit was deployed to Iraq in March, Magaoay and his wife drove to Canada, joining a small group of deserters who are trying to win permission from the Canadian government to stay.
"We’re like a tight-knit family," Magaoay said.
The Pentagon says deserters like Magaoay represent a tiny fraction of the nation’s fighting forces.
This man’s confused. It’s interesting to me that his patriotism sprang from the Iraq invasion, and not from 9/11. While it’s well-documented that Mr Bush lied like a cheap Persian rug to justify his illegal invasion of Iraq, the man states that it took 20 months for his patriotism to click in, and compel him to enlist. He also states that he joined the military in order to continue his college education, like thousands of other volunteers. It’s a tragic commentary on Mr Bush’s 21st century America that people have to risk their lives in order to get an education. There’s no point in commenting on his statement that he also sought to set his life in order, since we don’t know the circumstances. But I do see how you could become disillusioned about military service if training officers joke about killing Iraqis. By November 2004 the invasion was over and the occupation was fighting for its life, beset by resistance fighters at every turn.
The Pentagon says deserters like Magaoay represent a tiny fraction of the nation’s fighting forces."The vast majority of soldiers who desert do so for personal, family or financial problems, not for political or conscientious objector purposes," said Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the Army.
Since 2000, about 40,000 troops from all branches of the military have deserted, the Pentagon says. More than half served in the Army. But the Army says numbers have decreased each year since the United States began its war on terror in Afghanistan.
Those who help war resisters say desertion is more prevalent than the military has admitted.
More prevalent? Twenty thousand Army deserters out of some 500,000 troops since the invasion three years ago? It may not seem like a statistically large figure, but the impact is much greater. Each deserter is an empty bunk in a barracks, a name taken off a locker. The troops see this. No matter what their reaction is, it means added hardship for all those who remain. And 4% makes a major impact in planning and operations, even spread over three years.
Joe Davis, spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, said deserters aren’t traitors because they’ve done nothing to help America’s enemies. But he rejects arguments that deserters have a moral right to refuse to fight wars they consider unjust."None of us can choose our wars. They’re always a political decision," Davis said. "They’re letting their buddies down and hurting morale - and morale is everything on the battlefront."
And every soldier who deserts causes those who remain to contemplate that desertion. While some may feel antagonistic about the deserter, there will be a few who think about it. Again and again.
Many thanks to Chidyke for bringing this forward.
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Wow. I was completely unaware of this. Thank you so much for bringing this information so up close and personal. Though you may already have done this - have you considered putting this information in a diary and posting it on My Left Wing or KOS? I will admit to some disenchantment with KOS of late - but it still is a decent forum from which to dispense important information. 40K deserters seems to me like a huge number. I would be interested in knowing how it compares with figures from the Vietnam era (proportionally), as well as times of relative peace. Also - how does it break down by service?
As to how I feel about all of this – I’ll admit to being quite conflicted. Not as to the individual case cited. Magaoay’s reasons sound rather specious to me. It is possible he felt he was lied to by his recruiter (an all too common practice these days). Still…..I tend to support military personnel and their families – not the institution itself; at least – not how it’s become. I believe in investing in military families before expensive, boondoggle toys. Dependents are treated like shit most of the time – and were I in charge – that would stop right quick; but I’ll get down off of that soapbox for now. Desertion is a topic that needs to be looked at much more closely, I think. I believe it warrants heavy investigation.
I don't have too many figures at hand to support it, but the news story itself indicates that the desertion rate is approximately in line with the (later) Viet Nam era. When I was in, a number of 11B's (riflemen) would reenlist in order to get a bonus and then sky off. The first few times we shook our heads in amazement when we heard about the re-ups. But when the news came of the AWOL, and later desertion, it became clear. The way you could do it was because if you reenlisted you got a 30 day leave stateside, and you had that reenlistment bonus in hand, so....
Lurch, I was an Air Force guy - but isn't 40,000 soldiers roughly equal to two divisions? No wonder they've set up "Blue to Green" programs to get Airmen and Sailors to move to the Army.
Mike, 40,000 is more like 3 Army divisions, if you're counting leg or mechanized units. Armor units tend to have a larger TOE than other Army divisions, IIRC.
Note that Marine divisions tend to be larger than Army units. As I remember there is (was?) a public law passed after Korea limiting the Corps to three divisions. At one point Marine divisions contained up to 35,000 troops.
You can find information on current TO&Es here : http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/army/unit/toe/
with a good listing of tasks and equipment. To obtain manning levels for the various devisions you have to "build" your division by consulting the sub-units at battalion and HQ level and do the math.
You guy's might be interested in this http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/280567_vets09.html Iwould like to hear Ray McGovern or Dahr Jamail . I'm interested in your take on Lt Watada ? http://vfpnationalconvention.org/
I'm not saying the whole article is bullshit, but come on. Bootcamp in 29 Palms? Every Marine out there knows that there are only 2 Marine Corps boot camps: MCRD San Diego and MCRD Parris Island.
I report, you decide. Could the original writer possible have misunderstood what she was told by Magaoay? We have seen in the past how abysmally ignorant "reporters" are about so many topics.
If they'da moved boot camp to 29 Stumps, I'da heard about it. I still get Leatherneck every month addressed to Cpl. Gordon...40 years in grade come 9/1.
I get that the reporter could have been mistaken, Lurch. But seriously, even the smallest amount of proofreading/fact-checking on that story would've found that discrepancy like a Drill Instructor finds Irish Pennants.
40,000 men, now that is exactly the size of one army unit, which is fit to have one 4 star general. Now that is huge! What are we going to do with 40,000 US soldiers deserting? A Canadian city? I could see that will be the number of those who will swear allegiance to the Queen of England up north!
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